Dec 06
Questionable Hit Sends Van Ryn Out For 1 Month [w/Hit VID]
Thankfully for the Leafs, we still have Kubina, Kaberle, Schenn, Finger, Colaiacovo, Stralman, Frogren, and White. In fact, I think we can afford to lose two more defencemen without major hassle. Hopefully it doesn’t happen, but I’m just saying…it won’t really hurt unless those two are one of the “big two” and Schenn.
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6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
I’m not a leafs fan but I have to agree with them. These ***** hits from behind are getting out of hand. Even if Van Ryn turned at the last second, Kostopolous imo had plenty of time to deviate from the hit.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
You obviously are not an hockey player. I’m not saying Kostopoulos doesn’t deserve to be punished — I want these kind of hits to stop too — but he had a lot of speed on that shot (so he couldn’t just brake it up) and you can clearly see Ryn looking behind him, seeing him come towards him and changing direct in the last minute. It sucks and it’s very sad that it had to end up the way it did, but if Ryn went left instead of right, it would have been a normal [hard] hit. He kinda asked for it. You know, people hate hearing this, but once you get in the NHL, you’re a *PRO*. That doesn’t just mean “skate fast, pass, score”. It also means you need to know how to take hits, because you ARE going to get ‘em. Ryn saw him and pretty much let himself get rammed. In other words, Kostopoulos did hit him from behind, which is wrong and deserves to be punished, but Ryn put himself in a position where he let himself get hurt. Same thing happened to Kostityin (from the Canadiens, the irony!) a few weeks ago — he got hit while he was looking somewhere else and made himself vulnerable — and I don’t remember everybody making a HUGE deal about it as with this one… oh and I guess that the writer being a complete Toronto fanboy doesn’t help. Like the leafs are saints… lolz.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
it was a bad hit that shouldn’t have happened. But what I don’t understand is that he looks back, sees him bearing down, then puts himself into a horrible position? It’s similar to the Bergeron thing, bad hit, but could have been avoided by the guy on the recieving end or the giving end. I also don’t think the Leafs have much room to cry over this after employing Ryan Hollweg.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Its not the point who the Leafs have on the team. The onus is on the guy who chased him all the way down the ice and into the boards and never let up for one second until he had hit him. It was a dirty hit… do you think Laraque would have just stood by if he thought Kostopolous didn’t deserve at least a couple of knocks from Colaiacovo?
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
you are missing the point. Of course it was a dirty hit. And I am also saying that either player could have prevented the injury and neither did. And it is the point of who the Leafs have on the team, they picked up a known repeat offender this season and I saw them all defending Hollweg on his 2 or 3 suspensions this season for doing this same thing (his suspensions were mandatory because of his repeat offender status) and now you are all up in arms when someone does it to you guys. I am not saying he should have given that hit and i am not saying the Leafs or anyone deserves that, I am just saying that Leafs fans need to stop trying to play both sides of that coin.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
he turned to handle the puck, don’t use that as an excuse for a dirty hit
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
I thought the most interesting thing was that Kostopolous just stood there after delivering the hit, and hardly fought back at all when Colaiacovo went at him. The dude’s team mates don’t even come to his defence.It was a stupid move, but his reaction seems that at the most it was a mistake (didn’t mean to drive him face first into the boards), and at the least he regretted doing it.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
When Laraque won’t stick up for you, you deserve what you’re getting.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Sorry but while Laraque is the best fighter in the league, he is arguably the worst enforcer!
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Whoa wait are you saying that Laraque needed to step in and stop Carlo “mr. glass” Coliacavo? haha Kostopolous regretted it that’s why he didn’t fight back. If he did indeed fight back Carlo would be back on the injured reserve.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
It seemed fairly evident that despite the fact that Van Ryn put himself into a dangerous position, the hit was completely intentional. Kostopoulos may have regretted it once it happened, but that means nothing.He pushed his elbows forward when he hit Van Ryn, intentionally putting him into the glass, instead of trying to absorb the blow. He knew exactly what he was doing when he did it. He just didn’t think any further ahead than that.Game + 5. No more, though.It’s not like he stomped on anyone’s foot *cough*pronger*cough*
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
If you look closely, or try and slow it down, it seems like Kostopolous almost leaves his feet as he makes the hit. That combined with lifting his arms up a bit makes for a pretty f’ed up hit if you ask me. Granted, it wouldn’t have been so bad if Van Ryn positioned himself better, but it still is a dirty hit.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
no need for a suspension just have someone else hit him the same way
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Van Ryn didn’t play that smartly, it’s always dangerous to keep your back towards someone coming in to hit you (he saw Kostopoulos). That seems to have become a tactic recently, turning your back towards the opposing player in the hope he won’t hit you. Problem is, it leaves you in a dangerous and vulnerable position.But seeing as Van Ryn had his back towards Kostopoulos the whole time, he had plenty of time to decide how he was going to play him. And since he decided to crush him from behind, he deserves some sort of suspension (a game or 2).
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
On a second watch, it looked like it was also boarding.. a harsher sentence may have been earned.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Even worse is when someone gets mad that a guy gets checked when he’s bent over with his head towards the boards.You’re playing hockey morons! Play safe or don’t bitch when you get ***** hurt!
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Suspend him. 3 to 5 games IMO.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
He shouldn’t have hit him that hard from behind, if he was along the boards then fine squash the guy. Since he wasn’t along the boards, he should have slowed down enough to just push him into the boards. It was a cheap and dangerous hit.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Van Ryn is a dummy, and should have flattened himself against the boards. (lessens the impact of the hit)That being said, Kostopoulos is a coward with no respect for his competitors or the sport. Hitting from behind is a bitch move.Good on Colaiacovo for sticking up for his teammate.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
At the very last second you can see him turning his back to Kostopoulos. Rules are rules and he should be suspended, but Van Ryn isn’t completely innocent either.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
suspension isnt manditory under the rules, its on a per case basis. Its only manditory once you are deemed a repeat offender, and you get that tag after getting (3) 5 minute boarding majors within 41 games.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Whats the deal with all the hockey articles, eh?
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Whats the deal with you bitching? If you don’t like it, get the ***** out
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Hockey rules!!
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
***** you. That’s what.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
That title and description made very little sense to me before I realized it was about hockey.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Van Ryn played it badly, Kostopoulos played it worse. He had plenty of time not to hit him from behind like that (and I haaaaaate the Leafs). Very dirty, 3-5 like someone said
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Who cares?
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
93 people and counting
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
133 people and counting
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
326 and counting
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
I was at the game and the hit from behind was a total bitch move. But then again, the Canadiens were acting like bitches the whole night and got spanked 6-3.Go Leafs Go!
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Rule #1 in Hockey never put your head down..But that was bad..
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
#2 never turn your back to a hit. #3 don’t hit someone in the numbers.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Damn Skippy
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
#4 into the boards when they’re bent over.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
I was watching the game when it happened, and it was rough. A few games suspension maybe. Look at the look on his face after he hit him. Like the announcer said, he’s thinking “What have I done?”
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
I’m thinking somewhere around a 3 game suspension, that was a dangerous hit.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
c’est la hockey
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Hockey is for dick slurpers.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Man, even I’d attempt to kick the guy’s ass after seeing my teammate go down like that. (although I’d probably end up on the ice right next to Van Ryn 5 seconds later)
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
…
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
I believe that Coliacavo jumped in.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
I’m a Canadians fan and I think that was a chicken sh!t play. I think Kostopoulos should get 3 games as the league has to crack down on this sort of thing and make it safe for D men to go back and get the puck. That being said, Van Ryn has to be smarter and take care of himself in those situations
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Van Ryn turned at the last second. What would you be saying if Kostopoulos didn’t try to hit him and Van Ryn scored? Players need to be aware of what is around them on the ice as well, and seeing the replays the other night, he turned around twice and saw Kostopoulos coming at him, so why would he turn at the last second by the boards.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
Uh, ‘if Van Ryn Scored’???He was behind his own net, getting a dump in. It wasn’t even an icing call, which is why we haven’t had anyone yelling for no-touch icing yet in this thread.It was a hit that got the penalty it deserved. Rule number 1 - don’t show your numbers to a guy barrelling in on you. If Van Ryn hadn’t turned, and Kosto did nothing different, but delivered a solid check, this might still have made the front page of digg, for an awesome rub-out check. If you can’t take a check, don’t cowardly turn your back on the guy so he won’t hit you, cause he might still hit you, and you’ll be in a world of hurt.
6 December 2008, 8:24 pm
He turned to play the puck. His numbers were facing Kostopoulos for a while, and he was clearly going to play the puck. The league needs to crack down on checks from behind. They focus so much on the obstruction that I think it got left behind…
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
My work proxy is blocking that site, so here’s a youtube link to the hit: youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJ3X9tHqf0
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Wow, really? The name was just registered 3 days ago, thats quite ridiculous.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
On a sort of unrelated topic: don’t you love how Don Cherry is so old and lazy that he mispronounces/slurs together everyone’s name?
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
I’m amazed that enough people care about hockey to get this on the front page.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
What is Hockey?
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
I still don’t get why so many players decide to play without the half visor. Granted, there is only so much it would do against a hit like that, at the very least he wouldn’t have had his face bounce off the glass.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Half visor? What about a full cage? I can’t count the amount of times my face has been saved by my cage from deflected shots, high sticks and skating with my head down. The pros claim they can see better, but there are plenty of other sports that require a face cage and they see fine. There may or may not be an advantage to exposing your face, but certainly staying healthy to play has got to be an advantage over being on the disabled list for a face injury.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
I agree 100%. I was saved many times with my cage from dumb ***** on the other team (and my own); I call for a half visor only because no player in the NHL would go for a full (I can only imagine what that ignoramus Cherry would have to say). I think that players who don’t wear visors are not doing so out of concern for their vision but for the ridiculous stigma that is attached with wearing one.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
That hit made me cringe.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Van Ryn made a dumb move by getting himself into that position. Kosto made a worse move by hitting him in the numbers.My advice to the league, however, is to mandate padding to be installed at the top of the boards. It won’t affect game play, and it’ll protect players from hits like that. Even Don “Rock em, Sock em” Cherry agrees with that idea.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Not exactly a death-dealing blow. I don’t know about any more than a 3-5 game suspension. Definitely needs to stop, however.On another note I am pleased to see all these hockey stories on digg.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Leafs and Canadiens fans arguing is always welcome over Obama & McCain supporters arguing.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
First time in a long time, possibly ever, that I wish Domi was still with the Leafs to rough that bitch up. Like the old days: youtube.com/watch?v=VnKxV9ilsqo
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
You mean when he used to get his ass handed to him by Rob Ray? Tie Domi was one of the worst enforcers in the league.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
I love how you post the sucker punch incident in response to this hit by Kosto, when the guy saw him coming and knew he was gonna get hit.I’m used to go to Domi’s games when he played for the Pete’s. He was a tool then. He’s a tool now.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Im pretty sure Domi would not have done ***** with George Laraques a foot away.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
I am sorry, what sport is this?
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Does Hockey only have one camera? What the hell, that was the worst camera angle I have ever seen.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
i am going to agree with a lot of the previous posters. Kostopoulos should have let as he could probably see that Van Ryn was turning. However, Van Ryn put himself in a very compromising position by first turning and also by stopping where he did, which looked like a foot or more from the boards. That is a very dangerous place to put yourself, especially when you know someone is bearing down on you.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
There will be payback eventually
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Big hit? Yes. Dirty? No.Van Ryn put himself in a dangerous position even though he knew the other guy was right behind him coming in full speed… he tried to fake he was going to keep going around the net and decided to turn at the last second, there was no avoiding that hit. The 5 minute penalty and perhaps a 1 game suspension is all that’s needed, as there was no intention to hurt behind that check. Van Ryn only has himself to blame for that injury.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
It’s the defense man’s job to go get the puck. It’s the fore checking forward’s job to hit him cleanly or take the puck. People have opportunities like this every night to hit someone as bad as he did. They’re not stupid enough to actually do it though.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
One of the first things kids playing hockey learn is to protect themselves, Van Ryn failed to do so and paid the price. If he had kept going and positioned himself to take the incoming hit, there wouldn’t even be any injury. We’re talking less than a second for Kostopoulos to react and avoid hitting Van Ryn, it was unavoidable really.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
The Habs played the whole game like this. There was this hit, the play on Schenn, the hit on Grabovski and the hit on Hagman that were all bad. The hit on Grabovski was just late and he was pretty much irrelevant to the play. Van Ryn’s taking all kinds of hits. He was the one that got hit through the glass by Lucic a couple weeks ago.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
is there still really an nhl?
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Ok I realize they are trying to make hockey popular, but making it more like the NFL and trying to protect players is something that can go overboard. At what point does it get to where hockey losses the enforcers? Why you would be so stupid to turn away almost as if he was thinking well I can play smart and defend myself and go for the puck or play stupid leave myself open but he can’t hit me since it would be against the rules. Ejected from the game fine, however this is nothing like a vicious hit on a player that doesn’t even have the puck. We really want hockey to be in a situation like this were they are required to give guys who turn their backs a 2 yard halo? Van Ryn made a bad decision he got slammed for it, Kostopoulos hit him hard yes but what alternative was there? Don’t hit him let him take the puck? Hockey is an aggressive physical sport, I would be sad to see that taken away. That being said I am not for players deliberately trying to injure each other and in this case it looks like Kostopoulos was trying to play the puck and combined with the force of the hit and Van Ryn not exactly being smart he ended up with a penalty and I would assume a game misconduct, which is all that should be assessed in this situation. Then it should follow game misconduct rules on if he should be suspended from the next game(s).I probably don’t need to quote the offical rules but Boarding – …………….The onus is on the player (orgoalkeeper) applying the check to ensure his opponent is not in avulnerable position and if so, he must avoid the contact. However,there is also a responsibility on the player with the puck to avoidplacing himself in a dangerous and vulnerable position. This balancemust be considered by the Referees when applying this rule………….
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
A hit from behind, 3-4 feet out, into the end boards is always bad. See Travis Roy. You can still make contact and take the puck without plastering the guy.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Crap! There must be a Van Ryn voodoo doll somewhere.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
He’s had a rough season hasn’t he? youtube.com/watch?v=JWqgizAD4FA
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
We.don’t.care.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
The posts admonishing Van Ryn for ‘putting himself in a bad position’ are pretty sickening. NHL players put themselves in similar positions on a regular basis, and get nothing more than a solid shove into the glass. First of all, Kostopoulos should have been slowing down as he neared the glass. Second, he should have absorbed some of the impact with his body instead of channeling all of his momentum into his shoulder with a very harsh cross-check.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
I don’t see the problem. He was just trying to take a bite of the boards and got some assistance!
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Deliberate attempt to injure. 5 game suspension would be called for and I’m a Habs fan.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Looked a little dirty to me but I’m sure the NHL won’t do anything about it.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
That hit looked very similar to the Bergeron hit that put him out for a whole season at the beginning of last year. I love hitting as much as the next guy, but when you’re flying at somebody from behind when they’re at the boards, there’s no reason to nail the guy like that. There used to be a certain code of honor where players don’t nail people from behind in those situations, but I can see it’s fading away…
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
it was a perfectly valid hit. a 5 minute penalty was not needed, i was arguing with my friend that a 2 minute would be “acceptable” but we both pretty much agreed that it was a good clean hit, no deliberation.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
Van Ryn has been getting owned this year by other teams. First the through the glass hit now this one.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
I bet Van Ryn wishes he was still in Florida. He’s having a tough time in TO this season.
6 December 2008, 8:25 pm
LOL typical Toronto Maple Leaf fan. Although unfortunate and a suspension was deserved the guy never showed any such behavior before. If players are stupid enough to turn at the last moment like Van Ryn did things like this are going to continue to happen.